Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz spent 10 hours over three days answering questions about her qualifications to be attorney general in a videotaped deposition, admitting she never has tried a case or appeared in court as a lawyer.
A video of the deposition was released Thursday. One of the key portions is an 8-minute exchange about her lack of experience in court.
āIām a corporate lawyer, not a litigator,ā said Bysiewicz, who is seeking a declaratory ruling in Superior Court that she meets the statutory requirement of having 10 years of āactive practice at the barā in Connecticut.
Her questioner is Eliot Gersten, a lawyer representing the Connecticut Republican Party. He has argued that the phrase āat the barā means a litigator. Here is the clip and a transcript of the exchange
Q Have you actually ever been in court yourself?
A Yes.
Q Okay. And when youāre at court, did you
stand at the counsel table?
A Iāve been to court to be sworn in to the New
York bar and the Connecticut bar and to observe
proceedings.
Q Okay?
A And Iāve been to small claims court.
Q How did you enjoy that experience?
A Lovely.
Q Did you represent yourself in small claims?
A Yes.
Q How many times have you been to small claims
court?
A Once.
Q Okay.
A And I did win.
Q And when you observed proceedings in court,
as youāve just mentioned, were you the one who stood up
in court and addressed the judge or the jury?
A No.
Q Were you sitting at the counsel table and
introduced to anyone as the lawyer for the case?
A No.
Q Did you sit in back of the bar of the court
or did you sit in front of the bar at counsel table?
A In the public portion of the courtroom.
Q And that would be the part thatās not at
counsel table, correct?
A Correct.
Q That would be the part in back of the bar,
correct?
A Yes.
Q And how many times did you come to court to
observe the proceedings in court and you sat in the
public section?
A Just a few.
Q Can you name the most recent?
A I believe in law school I went to an argument
at the Connecticut Supreme Court.
Q Okay. Any other occasions? And I donāt mean
to sound flippant, but I donāt think ā thatās the most
recent one you can recall? That would be what,
somewhere 25 years ago, if my math is right?
A Yes.
Q Was that in your first year of law school?
A I canāt remember. Probably.
Q Well, it was in law school, right?
A Yes.
Q And you went to UConn law school?
A I did.
Q Right?
A For my first year.
Q So you donāt recall going to watch the
proceedings at the Connecticut Supreme Court while you
were at your Duke Law School, correct?
A It probably was when I was a first year.
Q So other than that occasion to watch what
takes place in court you have no more recent
recollection about what takes place in court, by
personal observation and being in the public section?
A Yes.
Q So youāve never actually been introduced to a
judge or jury as the attorney ā as an attorney at all,
have you?
A Can you repeat that question?
Q Sure. Have you ever been inside a courthouse
at all?
A Yes.
Q Okay. And have you ever been inside a
courthouse at any time and been introduced as an
attorney in the case?
A In a case pending before that court?
Q Yes, maāam.
A No.
Q Have you ever been inside of a courthouse and
been introduced as an attorney outside of your
admittance to the bar?
A Yes.
Q Okay. And when was that?
A When I visit district courts to do
naturalization ceremonies.
Q Okay. And whenās the last time that you
visited ā that would be the district court of
Connecticut?
A Yes.
Q And that would be the federal district
court?
A Yes.
Q And in the federal district court, when was
the last time you participated in naturalization
ceremony where you were introduced as an attorney?
A Well, I was introduced as the secretary of
the state and I am an attorney, sir.
Q Okay. But when you were introduced as
secretary of state, does your introduction as secretary
of state include a title that says attorney?
A No.
Q So outside of the naturalizations, have you
been introduced as an attorney while you were standing
in a courthouse at any time in the past 26 years?
A With respect to a pending case in court, no.
Q Okay. And when you say with respect to a
pending case in court, how about with any case?
A I was just ā I visit courthouses as a public
official and therefore Iām sure along the way someone
has said, this is attorney Bysiewicz.
Q Can you recall the most recent time that took place?
A Not a specific recollection.
Q Did it take place in any time you can recall
in the past six months?
A No.
Q In the past five years?
A I canāt remember.
Q Okay. And by the way, maāam, is this the
first time ā this is the first time youāve been
deposed I think we said. Have you ever been a witness
in a case before?
A No.
Q Okay. Have you ever participated in a
preparation for a deposition before?
A No.
Q Have you ever participated in preparing
discovery or anything else like that before?
A No.
Q Okay. Have you ever even in your capacity as
secretary of state and your work with the attorney
generals as you mentioned have you ever been in a room
and you talk about here are things like the occupying
statement should sound like, have you ever been a prep
session for trial?
A No.
Q Have you ever been in a prep session about a
closing argument in a case when the attorney generals
are in the room?
A No.
Q Have you participated in any work with the
attorney generals in representing the secretary of
stateās office where you sat down and said, hey, we
have some witnesses we got to prepare and work towards
preparation of ā trial preparation, have you done
that, too?
A Preparation of witnesses?
Q Right. Have you ever sat in a room with the
attorney generals office and sat down and said, weāve
got to ā
A No.
Q Okay. Have you ever sat down with the
lawyers while they were representing the secretary of
state and said, hereās some ideas I have for a
pleading, can you put this into the brief or the
pleading or the motion or anything, have you done
that?
A No.
Q And am I correct, maāam, the secretary of
state doesnāt file appearances on behalf of the state
of Connecticut in any way, does it, in any court?
A No.